{"id":118,"date":"2010-06-26T23:38:37","date_gmt":"2010-06-26T23:38:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.therem.net\/blog\/?p=118"},"modified":"2020-02-13T23:20:10","modified_gmt":"2020-02-14T04:20:10","slug":"wiscon-34-panel-chicks-dig-time-lords","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.therem.net\/blog\/wiscon-34-panel-chicks-dig-time-lords\/","title":{"rendered":"WisCon 34 Panel: Chicks Dig Time Lords"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Panel Description:<\/b> There is a perception that there weren&#8217;t many women in Doctor Who fandom before the New Series was launched. This is patently false. Women have had a major role in Doctor Who fandom since the inception of the show. Do women approach and experience their Doctor Who fandom (or other media fandoms) differently than men? This panel explores different approaches to media fandom by the women involved in it, functioning within an assumed male\u2013dominated fandom. Approaches to fandom discussed will range from feminist critique to costuming to fan fiction.<\/p>\n<p><b>Panelists:<\/b> Evelyn Brown, Lynne M. Thomas (moderator), K. Tempest Bradford, Kathryn Sullivan<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.madnorwegian.com\/product.php?item=chicks\">Chicks Dig Time Lords<\/a> book was intentionally positive in focus, in defiance of the reality that women are quite outnumbered in Doctor Who fandom. Lynne says the fandom is 80% male!<\/p>\n<p>Opinions on the show. Best show ever? Tempest says no, but probably the best thing on television right now. \u201cWhich isn\u2019t hard.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kathryn: \u201cI like the Doctor because he thinks; he doesn\u2019t always solve things with a gun.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Evelyn: \u201cI love the scope of it.\u201d If you don\u2019t like the show, you can just wait, and it will soon be doing something different.<\/p>\n<p>Tempest: She likes that it\u2019s an adventure show, and isn\u2019t full of emo stuff like the shows on Syfy. She got into it because one of her roommates was a huge fan, then quickly caught up on the new Who via torrents.<\/p>\n<p>Lynne: She likes the overwhelming positivity of the show and its openness to change.<\/p>\n<p>A poll of the audience is taken to see how many fans there are of each Doctor. I fear I am the only one who never raises a hand at all!<\/p>\n<p>Leah in audience asks the panel to list their favorite companions.<\/p>\n<p>Lynne: Favorite: Ace. Least favorite: Peri.<br \/>\nKathryn: Favorites: Zoe, Leela &#038; Donna. Least favorite: Adric<br \/>\nTempest: Favorite: Donna &#038; Martha &#038; Ace. Least favorite: Rose (2nd series)<br \/>\nEvelyn: Favorite: Jamie &#038; Zoe; Tegan and Turlough. Least favorite: Rose, maybe. She likes when there are crowds of companions who can talk about the Doctor behind his back.<\/p>\n<p>Lynne likes the show\u2019s flexibility about sexuality, but recognizes that the treatment of bisexuality (for example) has been problematic at times.<\/p>\n<p>Tempest: \u201cI hate sexual tension! \u2026in fiction.\u201d Whining and pining. David Tennant era bothers her. Why was Martha bothering with this skinny, crazy dude? Everyone agrees that her emotional arc with the Doctor was handled badly and didn\u2019t seem in character.<\/p>\n<p>Lynne asks a question of the audience: \u201cWhat\u2019s the Tom Baker episode where he fellates an alien?\u201d There is amazed laughter from the crowd.<\/p>\n<p>Someone asks Tempest what she thought of the end of the Martha story (pairing off with Mickey.) She hates it, because it doesn\u2019t follow anything that came before. She wants to interrogate Russell T. Davies about it.<\/p>\n<p>Discussion about historicals. An audience member wants to know if any of the older shows depict historical events in countries besides England. Some examples are given, but Tempest thinks it\u2019s better if the show\u2019s producers don\u2019t even go there, given the amount of fail the show has demonstrated towards brown people. Lynne argues for the story limitations of an extremely small production budget.<\/p>\n<p>Verity Lambert was given production duties on the classic series because she was young and female, and the BBC fully expected her to fail. Here we are 46 years later\u2026<\/p>\n<p>An audience member who is studying media in England reports that she has been told that the reason the new show focuses so much on Britain is because market research says that is what their audience wants. And also that the BBC is trying to target it to children. An audience members protests that the British Empire is pretty big! \u201cDidn\u2019t they own three quarters of the globe at one point?\u201d Chris Hill (English fan) in audience: \u201cWe\u2019re sitting right here!\u201d Much laughter.<\/p>\n<p>Tempest gives a hilarious rant about how the Daleks keep coming back again and again after supposedly being exterminated. She wants Davies to stick to the story he has set up.<\/p>\n<p>The doctor\u2019s daughter steps out of the \u201cpeople making machine with mascara on\u201d. Evelyn says she got it from her father, because he regenerated complete with hair gel.<\/p>\n<p>Sex in Doctor Who. Lynne: \u201cSome say there is no sex in Doctor Who. Others of us say, &#8216;Uh uh. You don\u2019t dress Leela like that if there is no sex in Doctor Who.&#8217;\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Lynne: \u201cA millennium-old person might have gotten over some of his hangups about sex.\u201d Tempest: \u201cOr developed more.\u201d Laughter.<\/p>\n<p>Mention of \u201cThe Curse of the Fatal Death\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Chris points out that most British shows at the time of the classic series were asexual. Even the \u201ccompanion\u201d concept was fairly common, and was usually treated as a father-daughter dynamic.<\/p>\n<p>Last 15 minutes of panel are reserved for discussion of the Matt Smith series.<\/p>\n<p>Tempest: \u201cI\u2019m just tired of people jumping the Doctor\u2019s bones.\u201d referring to the episode with Amy coming on to the Doctor<\/p>\n<p>Lynne\u2019s husband has a theory that Steven Moffat has a checklist of story elements that he would like to correct from the Davies era. For example: Rory as apology for Mickey.<\/p>\n<p>Tempest gives a run-down on Steven Moffat\u2019s issues with women. His two shows before Doctor Who (Joking Apart, Coupling) both based on his own life.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Panel Description: There is a perception that there weren&#8217;t many women in Doctor Who fandom before the New Series was launched. This is patently false. Women have had a major role in Doctor Who fandom since the inception of the show. 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